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Drifter email icqOn and on...03-11-2001
My turn to start a new thread. It's been awhile. I am honored. Carry on, folks.



Skipper email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
Driftwood, get over and show the boy a thing or two, I have been watching old Chiemeleski Brothers reruns and perfecting my polka and shottich(sp?)steps,that Pat Kadigan was a hell of a band leader, "everybody Polka"....



Kitty email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
"In Heaven, there is no beer..." How's that, Skipper? I'm tryin' to do my best at this polka thing.

A huge thank you to all who partook of the informal survey of best/worst teachers. The comments were excellent and I'm sure I'll be able to use some of the info in my classes.

And now for some music trivia (simmer down, now). Who sang "I don't want to do your dirty work no more"? The winner gets an ice cold, homebrewed pale ale.



b-loop email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
Chimelewski Funtime- that was little-league! I recall the Ol' Skipper toying with his very own BANJO back in about 1975. Except for the fact that he had a better hair-do and splashed on a pint of Brut Faberage every morning,Buck Owens is responsible for making Skip the singing legend that he is today. Although Skipper and Ivan always attended the KISS concerts that were frequent at the DECC,people who really knew Skipper were aware of his goal to someday replace Buck on "Hee Haw" and get the part where he could sneek-a-peek at those huge hooters on the young blonde with pigtails!! In summary, "Skip was Country, when Country Wasn't COOOOOL!!!!"



Richard Bandstand Clark email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
Crosby, Stills and Nash???????? How about- "The Night Chicago Died?" -[that is the name of the song,not the group CHICAGO] {clarification}



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
I believe the band Paper Lace performed The Night Chicago Died. Skipper - Perhaps you should send your son up to Brimson and receive world class guitar lessons from Electric Jim. B-loop may also be available for vocal lessons. Drifter



Ollie email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
Ya sur. When me n Hilda go to Hugo's we like to hear Inar and the Oumph-pa-pas play Pigs ina Polka. By golly ya they goot.



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
Kitty, Wow "in heaven there is no beer" now that is a scary thought. Brrrr sends chills up my spine.



Falcon Edie email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
I believe it was Steeley Dan who sand "I Don't Want to Do Your Dirty Work No More".



Falcon Edie email icqRe: On and on...03-11-2001
Oops! I meant sang not sand.



Denny's Chef email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
My favorite band that graced the stage at the THHS auditorium before a packed crowd at the winter frolic talent show was the Jim Trunks band, with the lead singer the budda, aka spike. They rocked as the sang Picture on the Cover of the Rolling Stone. Is Happy on here anymore? I'm also class of 78.



TWO-Z email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
KITTY, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THEY PLAY IT ON SOPHRANOS. TONY LIKES TO SING TO THAT ONE. ANYBODY ELSE WATCH THE SHOW. BADDA-BING!



voice of reason email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Torgy... I have been absent since my last response and feel I need to make some general comments.

First, regarding home schooling success. I have no doubt that there are hundreds of home school success stories. I also have no doubt there are hundreds of home school failures. I too personally know some kids who were home schooled. While they are generally bright kids, they for the most part lack very important social skills. They also have missed out on the friends, memories, and experiences of attending school with their peers.

You have quoted the success of home school, and yet have mocked the necessity of smaller class sizes. Wouldn't the two go hand in hand. The more individualized attention one receives the better? And yes there have been many studies which indicate smaller class sizes are important. (Not that studies are in themselves proof positive). Common since tells you that it is important to have as much one on one interaction with students as possible.

The longing of yesteryear. I hear this comment from many of folks who are older than myself. "Things were better when I was in school."

First, it was a simpler time. Kids are bombarded with things that you probably couldn't have dreamt about when you were a kid. Second, it is a FACT that kids these days are being taught subjects at an earlier age and subjects that were unconceivable even 15 years ago. And to be able to teach kids subjects at an earlier age and teach subects that are much more complex, it is necessary to have more individualized attention.

That is all for now.



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
VOR We agree on much. I am not against smaller class size. I am against the thinking that smaller class size or higher teacher salaries by themselves are the cure-all. Homeschoolers receive many more benefits as a rule, two parent families, non-working mothers, higher median income and less TV time just to name a few. These are some of the type of societal influences that would help all children more than class size or higher teacher pay. Easy to say, tough in practice.

Yes there are many distractions for today’s youth and they are taught things at a younger age. But many of these same distractions exist world wide and when compared to children in other countries, ours are behind. In the good old days we were in the lead compared to those same countries with our large classes and poorly paid teachers. I am not advocating classes and pay remain the same. Just trying to point out that maybe something else has changed, what exactly is hard to put a finger on. It would be interesting to know what the class size and teacher pay is in other countries.

I thought The. White. Chevy’s question was very insightful: Check out various media and their obsessions with fame, celebrity and sex, and ask yourself this: Does America really value a good education as much as it claims to do? Hope I have not infringed on any writer’s privilege.



Captain America email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Of course other things have changed. Kids have had access to guns for over 200 years, but only recently have they taken guns to school and shot up teachers and other students. Did you notice that the last school shooting incident barely got any press? It's already "not shocking" and is "old hat" to report on the news...Our culture has changed tremendously, and that is reflected in our schools as well.

On a more light-hearted note, Chimeleski Fun Time didn't have *anything* over on Lawernce Welk. Wonnerfull, Wonnerfull!



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Captian, that is very will put about how our culture is reflected in our schools. My thought is maybe the less coverage of these horrible school shootings the better. Copycat incidents being what they are. Actually since a high in 1990 gun deaths in school have gone down. Inner city schools have experienced gun deaths for years. Its when it hit the suburbs along with the advent of the 24 hour news cycle that school deaths have had so much attention. Tragic as it sounds there have been school gun deaths throughout American history and at a fairly constant level. History has elected to ignore them.

Ah yes that Hungarian in the tux, that beautiful stage with the girls in the wonderful gowns and all the bubbles floating down. And a 1 and a 2. Ish I’ll take Pink Floyd anytime!



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Watching Lawrence Welk as a child, now that brings back memories. Bobby and Cissy were an underrated and talented couple. The best in the business...



TWO-Z email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
TORGGY YOU ARE CORRECT. THEY HAD A SPEEL ON THE NEWS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO HOLD BACK ON THE COVERAGE OF THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS BECAUSE OF COPY CATS. THE SHOOTING TWO DAYS LATER NEVER GOT ANY TV ATTENTION THAT I'M AWARE OF.

YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME WITH THIS SCHOOL TALK. (THANKS KITTY) HA HA I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A RIGHT OR A WRONG AND BECAUSE OF THIS YOU WILL NEVER RESOLVE FOR ONESELF.

NUGGET, EVER HEARD OF THE BARTER SYSTEM?????? MAYBE I GOT SOMETHING YOU WANT IN EXCHANGE FOR 1 GOOD SPEECH!!! ARE YOU IN POLITICS??? EDUCATION????? DO TELL.



Nugget email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Two-Z...oddly enough, yes, I have written the occassional political speech (and delivered a few) and volunteer in several aspects and levels of the public education system in which my children are direct consumers..which brings me back to the discussion on education, be it private, public or home-schooling. (Torggy, your knowledge and passion continue to inspire). One of the things we must impart to our children as they are educated is to help them focus on a vocation, not just an education that is driven by the necessity of earning a living. There is a difference for most of us between how we make our living and what we might feel we are put on this earth to do. Many of us, I suspect, are earning our living in fields we would not have chosen if money did not matter. Hence, perhaps we fill those needs through volunteering, or other outlets. My point is that we ought to use educational opportunities to fuel our vocation, as well as our particular profession. We can guide our children there as well, especially once they are in their last years of high school and even more in college. By the way, Two-Z, professionally I am a IS Director and pretty much hate most of it.



Kitty email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Drifter, you really crack me up! Nice try, though!



happy email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Denny, yes, I'm still here - I learn so much from these wonderful people! Soo, who be ye?? Are you still in the TH area? Torrgy - have you been connecting in the chat room?



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Yes Happy there have been some of us in the chat room almost every night. We have missed your happy typing. I will not be in attendance tonight though as it is my evening for barley cylinder inhaling.



Captain America email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
So when do you guys jump into the Chat Room usually? I've been missing out of that portion of the web page.



voice of reason email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
Torgy, are you guys still playing hockey? Or are you a different torgy?



TWO-Z email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
NUGGET, IT IS SO UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR JOB. I'M AM IN MANAGEMENT WITH 4 TITLES AND I LOVE IT. I DID GET INTO THE PROFESSION I LOVED AND AM MAKING MONEY DOING IT. I'M I ONE OF THE FORTUNATE ONES????

I'M STILL WONDERING HOW WE LOST CS FROM THE TH PAGE????? DOES ANYBODY KNOW??

I'M POLKAING SKIP.. TWO LEFT FEET AND ALL. ARE YA WITH ME ON THIS?

DRIFTER, I REMEMBER THE BUBBLES.



Falcon Edie email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
How can we not remember the Polka Party by the Chimeleski (sorry about the spelling) Brothers? We grew up with it and also Lawrence Welk. My in-laws lived for those two shows!



webman email icqRe: On and on...03-12-2001
As a former occasional fill-in musician with the old German Band aka The Entertainers, of T.H. Moose and Legion fame, I have a great appreciation for the Chmielewski's and Lawrence Welk. I always liked Arthur Duncan, the tap dancer, and the little trumpet player, and one of the finest clarinetists around, the incomparable Henry Questa.



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Wow Webby thats quite the burst of knowledge there.

Captian I usually try the chat room most nights from 9 to 11 CST. Wait around some one will show up.

VOR I never got past figure skates. My ankles just folded over in old leather topped skates. If we would have had the formed plastic ski boot like skates it could have been a differant story.



Falcon Edie email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Certainly not as well known as the Chimeleski's and Lawrence Welk, but known to my family were the local talent, The Havari Brothers. They played at at least 2 if not 3 of the wedding dances in my family, including mine. Ya sure--you gotta love to polka! I believe that all of the boys are now dead-by the time they played for my wedding dance some 22 years ago now, there were only two of them left-the accordian playing brother and the bass player. We always say it's a good thing the accordian player was still alive, otherwise it would have been a little hard to polka to just the bass player.



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Remember Bozo (later Mr. Toot) on Channel 6?? Mister Toot was the weatherman during his night job. What what his name?



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Sorry.. what WAS his name (not a trivia question... I don't remember)



b-loop email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Driftwood, I believe the name you are seeking would be that of a Mr. Ray Paulson. I personally was never fortunate enough to make an appearance on the show, but my wife was the grand poo-pa for the day in her only gig. Maybe her occasional flatulance is due to the fact she was crowned Ms. Super Toot for her starring role...



TWO-Z email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
YOU GUYS ARE STARTING TO MAKE ME FEEL REAL YOUNG HERE. THANKS!



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Now THAT is funny. Thanks for the laugh Loopy.



Skipper email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Did she receive the complimentary bannana flip? Remember the old Carol Burnett show? the skit where Tim Conway was a dentist, I remember as a kid my dad rolling on the couch with tears in his eyes he was laughing so hard, it is a classic if you ever get a chance to see it!



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Wow! It was Ray Paulson. B-loop, I don't remember your lovely wife as the Super Toot, but I will certainly remind her of it the next time I see her. Funny stuff... Drifter



Falcon Edie email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
Have any of you heard the story about the child that was on Mr. Toot, got a banana flip which he/she didn't want and proceeded to mutter "shit". Mr. toot told the kiddie that "That's a Mr. Toot No No." To which the kiddie said "Cram it Clown". Needless to say, they cut to a new cartoon.



Skipper email icqRe: On and on...03-13-2001
THAT was my next story, I didn't hear it, but, I heard of it,I actually heard it as "Shove it Clownie", none the less a good story!



TWO-Z email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
NUGGET, WHERE FOR DID THOUGH GO???? THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.

REMEMBER THE WEATHER MAN ON CHANNEL 10? HE WAS ALWAYS DRUNK AT THE 10:00 P.M. WEATHER. THEY FINNALY CANNED HIM SO HE MOVED TO CALIFORNIA AND GOT SOME YOUNG GIRL PREGNENT. HE THEN MOVED BACK TO DULUTH AND THEY GAVE HIM HIS OLD JOB BACK BECAUSE THEIR RATINGS HAD DROPPED SINCE HE LEFT. ONLY TO REALIZE WHEN HE CAME BACK THE RATINGS DROPPED EVEN MORE SO THEY GOT RID OF HIM AGAIN. HA HA HA HA HA HA



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
Are you describing Jack McKenna?



TWO-Z email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
YOU ARE CORRECT DRIFTER. YOU WIN ONE BEER OF CHOICE.



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
I remember McKenna left and came back, but did not know the California story. As far as the cold beer, I will take anything but a 3.2 Blatz from Hugo's. We'll save that for Big Jim.



Captain America email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
Big Jim? Keeler?

Could it be that Two-Z and Drifter are also veterans of the legendary Big Noise tavern like I am?



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
Yes, I have bellied up to the friendly bar in Brimson with Big Jim (yes Keeler) and bought him his beer of choice --Blatz. It's been a few years since I have bumped into him up there, however. Maybe this spring.... Drifter



Drifter email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
And yes, I was seen once or twice in Big Noise, when it existed. We drove by it last fall, there's just a bunch of junk piled up. Really is a shame. There should be a bar of some sort at that corner...



Captain America email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
I know. Even though I was but a youth when Big Noise was still standing, there were quite a few Saturday afternoons I'd be over there with my Dad when we were "taking a break" from bird hunting at Camp Virgin. Of course, I had to drink soda then...



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
The Jack McKenna I remember was in Denver for a couple of years as I saw him there during my 2 year Denver visit. Just before I left for Washington state he left with much fanfare headed back for Duluth. Approx. 1976.

One of the things I remember about the Big Noise is that they threw the bottle caps out the front door every night to help keep down the mud at the bottom of the steps. As there was not much canned beer back then there could be quite a pile. As you walked up to the door and looked down you could tell who was there the night before by what brand caps you saw.



Nugget email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
Hey Two-Z, I'm still here...like a bad headache, I keep returning. Thought I'd drop a bit of an article from the Washington Post (David Broder editorial) on class size..."In a report out just this week, Princeton University economist Alan Krueger, who tracked the performance of 11,600 children randomly assigned to classes of various sizes, tells us that the size of the class does matter. Moreover, Krueger found, the smaller classes (between 13 and 17 pupils) showed significant closing of the black-white performance gap. The gap remained small even when the children were subsequently returned to larger classes.

Vance is not surprised. "Fifteen is the cutting point for making a difference," he told me. His budget contemplates lowering classes to 18 for the lower elementary grades -- short of ideal but a step in the right direction and a great place to start.

"I'm driven by reliable research," he explains. Research on class size, instructional methods, early brain development -- all these things need to be taken seriously, he says."

Food for thought.

Torggy...I loved the bottle cap picture you painted...



Nugget email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
I lied. Its William Raspberry's article from the Post, not Broder.



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
I am sure I could scour the net and find a study that says there is little or no benefit from smaller classes. One of the reasons being that for it to have an effect all the teachers must have equal abilities and as we need more teachers to bring class sizes down the quality of teachers also declines. But all that aside my main point still stands. We at one time were able to teach our children better (using the measures of the time) even with large class sizes and low teacher pay. We as a society have so changed the mission of our public schools that the original goal has become unattainable no matter what the class size or teacher pay. Until we return the raising of our children to the parents and the education of said children to the schools we will continue to lag behind other countries in education.

Back to The White Chevy’s thought of does our culture really want better-educated children. I would point out that most newscasts are designed for understanding at a fifth grade level.

Just for fun, everything you wanted to know about Bozo The Clown and more.

http://www.yesterdayland.com/popopedia/shows/saturday/sa1374.php



Torggy email icqRe: On and on...03-14-2001
For those who like pictures of Lake Superior check this out. http://www.lakenet.com/~evete/

And the Two Harbors hockey team has a site with a 360 view from center ice of the Th arena.

http://www.ej-fransen.com/agates.htm



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